Alterslash

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Contents

  1. IPv6 Usage Reaches Historic 50% Across Google Services
  2. Anthropic Rolls Out Claude Opus 4.7, an AI Model That Is Less Risky Than Mythos
  3. EU Age Verification App Announced To Protect Children Online
  4. Researchers Induce Smells With Ultrasound, No Chemical Cartridges Required
  5. Bullet Train Upgrade Brings 5G Windows, Noise-Cancelling Cabins To Japan
  6. UK Households To Be Urged To Use More Power This Summer As Renewables Soar
  7. Nature Is Still Molding Human Genes, Study Finds
  8. Boston Dynamics’ Robot Dog Can Now Read Gauges, Spot Spills, and Reason
  9. US Jobs Too Important To Risk Chinese Car Imports, Says Ford CEO
  10. Cal.com Is Going Closed Source Because of AI
  11. Live Nation Illegally Monopolized Ticketing Market, Jury Finds
  12. Anna’s Archive Loses $322 Million Spotify Piracy Case Without a Fight
  13. Snapchat Blames AI As It Cuts 1,000 Jobs
  14. Struggling Shoe Retailer Allbirds Pivots To AI, Stock Explodes More Than 700%
  15. Rivian’s Illinois Factory Will Run On Recycled EV Batteries

Alterslash picks up to the best 5 comments from each of the day’s Slashdot stories, and presents them on a single page for easy reading.

IPv6 Usage Reaches Historic 50% Across Google Services

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IPv6 usage briefly reached 50% across Google services for the first time, marking a major milestone for a protocol created in 1998 to solve IPv4’s address shortage. Tom’s Hardware reports:
[…] IPv6 was dismissed early on as a headache-inducing, hard-to-implement complication that would hardly ever gain any traction — despite offering 2^128 possible numbers, solving all network number assignments in one fell swoop. That changed over time by force of necessity, and Google’s tracking graph shows that for a brief moment in time on March 28, 50% of worldwide users accessed the service over an IPv6 connection, marking a historic first. APNIC’s stats show that the protocol is in use by 43% of the world, with Asia and the Americas inching ever close to those 50%. Cloudflare, meanwhile, shows that 40% of traffic is done in IPv6, an actually impressive figure if you consider it’s measuring actual transferred packets rather than just counting addresses.

The tried-and-true IPv4 and its well-known 123.456.789.123 format from 1980 offers ~4.3 billion addresses in theory, and around 3.7 billion in practice. That always sounded like a lot, but nobody could have predicted just how rapid the explosion of the Internet would be. IANA, the entity controlling the North-American IPv4 space, ran out of IPv4 addresses around 2011, while its European equivalent RIPE NCC could spare no more four-octet addresses nearly seven years ago in 2019. Asian, African, and Latin-American IP registries equally ran out during that timeframe.

You have to be over 16 to use IPv6

By jfdavis668 • Score: 3 Thread
Another good use for age verification.

What stops IPv6 from being universal

By AlanObject • Score: 3 Thread

Comcast is my ISP and my issues with them aside they implemented IPv6 perfectly. Back when I was running a virtual lab I could bring up any number of endpoints in the cloud and at other sites and could get 100% connectivity anywhere I wanted without dealing with any NAT complications and everything easy to account for and manageable with firewall rules.

And no bot harvester ever found a single system of mine to initiate ssh attacks on. How could they and why should they when there still are so many vulnerable IPv4 endpoints around?

I could understand back when several popular OSes didn’t support IPv6 very well but that stopped being true a decade ago. Yet new deployments every day with IPv4 address only provisions.

What’s it going to take to kill IPv4?

Anthropic Rolls Out Claude Opus 4.7, an AI Model That Is Less Risky Than Mythos

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Anthropic released Claude Opus 4.7, calling it its strongest generally available model and an improvement over Opus 4.6 in areas like software engineering, instruction-following, tool use, and agentic coding. But the company says it is “less broadly capable” than the restricted Claude Mythos Preview, “which Anthropic rolled out to a select group of companies as part of a new cybersecurity initiative called Project Glasswing earlier this month,” reports CNBC. From the report:
The launch of Claude Opus 4.7 on Thursday comes after Anthropic launched Claude Opus 4.6 in February. Anthropic said the new model outperforms Claude Opus 4.6 across many use cases, including industry benchmarks for agentic coding, multidisciplinary reasoning, scaled tool use and agentic computer use, according to a release. Anthropic said it experimented with efforts to “differentially reduce” Claude Opus 4.7’s cyber capabilities during training.

The company encouraged security professionals who are interested in using the model for “legitimate cybersecurity purposes” to apply through a formal verification program. Claude Opus 4.7 is available across all of Anthropic’s Claude products, its application programming interface and through cloud providers Microsoft, Google and Amazon. The new model is the same price as Claude Opus 4.6, Anthropic said.

My fists have to be registered as a lethal weapon

By Somervillain • Score: 3, Insightful Thread
I’ve heard this before, my AI is so powerful it’s dangerous, I’m keeping it from you for your own safety. That’s like that grade school boy saying I’m a blackbelt and my firsts need to be registered with law enforcement whenever I enter a new state.

I fell for that shit when I was 10. I’m confident we’ll be laughing about this a year from now. I will take the bet that they made an incremental improvement and are hyping up the safety because it’s pretty cool marketing. It certainly forces us to pay attention.

Claude 4.7…cool....probably similar as 4.5 to 4.6…I won’t notice until my employer deploys it…but oh noes…we’ll ruin cybersecurity for everyone?…now I have to pay attention and all my friends outside the industry are asking about it.

GPT5 found the same issues

By SumDog • Score: 3 Thread
Smaller and older models found the exact same bugs in some projects like OpenBSD, if told specifically where to look. Anthrophic also spent $20k+ on some of those runs to find those bugs. It’s just all smoke, mirrors and bullshit marketing.

https://aisle.com/blog/ai-cybe…

EU Age Verification App Announced To Protect Children Online

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The EU says a new age-verification app is technically ready and could let users prove they are old enough to access restricted online content without revealing their identity or personal data. Deutsche Welle reports:
Once released, users will be able to download the app from an app store and set it up using proof of identity, such as a passport or national ID card. They can then use it to confirm they are above a certain age when accessing restricted content, without revealing their identity. According to the Commission, the system is similar to the digital certificates used during the COVID-19 pandemic, which allowed people to prove their vaccination status.

The app is expected to support enforcement of the bloc’s Digital Services Act, which aims to better regulate online platforms. This includes restricting access to content such as pornography, gambling and alcohol-related services. Officials say the app will be “completely anonymous” and built on open-source technology, meaning it could also be adopted outside the EU.

[…] While there is no binding EU-wide law yet, the European Parliament has called for a minimum age of 16 for social media access. For now, enforcement would largely fall to individual member states, but the new app is intended to help platforms comply with future national and EU rules.

Profiling and tracking on overdrive!

By Murdoch5 • Score: 3 Thread
Does anyone believe this will not be used to profile and track users? If you have to use ID to verify / validate against an app, how is that processed? Unless it’s done offline in a secure enclave, the government / body will know you’ve uploaded the ID, and have all device identification, resulting in a large fingerprint. Once they know that, any site you visit can likewise be linked, resulting in the government knowing what you visit and what.

I’ve not against age verification, I’m against bad age verification. I’ve explained the idea a few times, but the short version, an online enclave downloads databases full of ID hashes, then disables any network connectivity, a full blackout. The offline enclave starts with a hard kill switch if any network connectivity is detected. The DBs will be transferred into the offline enclaves and the ID will be privately verified, with an age range stored. Then the ID and all DBs for this process are wiped, the enclaves are destroyed, and securely wiped, and network connectivity is restored.

Once that’s done, you’ve verified your age, without handing over your paperwork, it’s private, and accomplishes the same goal.

complete security theater

By esperto • Score: 3, Interesting Thread

I don’t know if it was on purpose or not, but the app is very badly done, has been hacked with very simple techniques, for instance, one can reset the PIN just by opening one of the configuration xml files and deleting the PIN section, next time the app opens it asks for a new PIN, which was only stored in the device (also encrypted and not hashed), similar attacks remove facial and digital locks, and I’m sure many more bug will appear.

This is pretty well done

By swillden • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

I expect a lot of comments on this article to be varieties of “this is terrible”… but it’s really not, and I happen to have significant knowledge here. There is a big caveat, though, which I’ll explain below.

First, the basic thing that makes strong, reliable age verification possible in the EU is national ID cards. In every EU country, as far as I know, you can get a national ID card basically from birth. A few issue at birth by default, but even those that don’t allow parents to apply for cards for their kids at basically any age, and it’s not uncommon.

I get the widespread American resistance to a national ID card, but I really think it’s misplaced. There are risks, yes, but on balance the benefits are far larger.

Second, when the EU says you can verify your age without revealing your identity, they seriously mean it. I worked on the ISO 18013-5 mobile driving license standard, and its protocol is the basis for the age verification scheme (18013-5 also supports privacy-preserving age verification). The protocol enables cryptographically-secure privacy-preserving age verification, providing, essentially, a single cryptographically-verifiable bit answering the question “Is this person over age X”, for specific legally-important ages. A great deal of effort goes into ensuring that the keys used to sign the bit cannot be linked to the identity of the person. One important element of that is the signing keys are single-use, so if your prove your age to two different web sites, they can’t compare notes and notice that your proof of age used the same signing key, thereby proving that whoever you are, you visited both.

Note that under the 18013-5 design, if the verifier (e.g. the web site receiving proof of age) could collaborate with the issuer (the government), they could deanonoymize the holder (the person proving their age). Work is ongoing to devise protocols using group signatures or other cryptographic constructs that make verifier/issuer collusion fruitless. It’s been a couple of years since I worked in this space, so I don’t know if those new approaches have gone into production, but if they haven’t, they will.

The big caveat I mentioned at the top is that there is no way for these systems to verify that the person who is providing age verification is the legitimate holder of the national ID upon which it’s based. That is, a kid can steal their dad’s ID and use it. Because the age verification is truly, strongly anonymous, there is no way for anyone to detect or prevent this… yet.

The “yet” is because people are working on incorporating privacy-preserving biometric authentication into the scheme. This is a little tricky because to provide privacy it’s critical that the biometric acquisition and matching happen entirely in the user’s device (or in the chip in the national ID card). But it can be done. Making it sufficiently secure, sufficiently reliable and sufficiently cheap is a significant engineering challenge, but it’s being worked on. In another decade or so, the caveat may be removed.

If all of this seems silly to you… well, the age verification for porn may be, but the privacy-preserving selective proof technologies are general-purpose, and able to answer any age verification question any many other useful questions in a strongly privacy-preserving way. In any case where you need to prove something about yourself (age, city of residence, driving privileges, etc.) right now you need to provide the complete contents of your ID, which reveals far more about you than is necessary. The combination of cryptography, secure hardware and clever protocols used in this age verification can fix that, generally, enabling us to identify, authenticate or prove things about ourselves with only the minimal information absolutely necessary. It’s a good thing.

And, honestly, it’s a good idea to keep very young children away from porn.

Re:Bridge for sale

By Pinky’s Brain • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Believe what?

- That the open source app does what the specs say it does? Likely yes.
- That the functionality of signed store versions corresponds to the open source version? Likely yes.
- Believe in god? No.

Please be more specific.

Researchers Induce Smells With Ultrasound, No Chemical Cartridges Required

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An anonymous reader quotes a report from UploadVR:
A group of independent researchers built a device that can artificially induce smell using ultrasound, with no consumable cartridges required. […] The team of four are Lev Chizhov, Albert Yan-Huang, Thomas Ribeiro, Aayush Gupta. Chizhov is a neurotech entrepreneur with a background in math and physics, Yan-Huang is a researcher at Caltech with a background in computation and neural systems, and Ribeiro and Gupta are co-researchers on the project with software engineering and AI expertise.

Instead of targeting your nose at all, the device directly targets the olfactory bulb in your brain with “focused ultrasound through the skull.” The researchers say that as far as they’re aware, no one has ever done this before, even in animals. A challenge in targeting the olfactory bulb is that it’s buried behind the top of your nose, and your nose doesn’t provide a flat surface for an emitter. Ultrasound also doesn’t travel well through air. The solution the researchers came up with was to place the emitter on your forehead instead, with a “solid, jello-like pad for stability and general comfort,” and the ultrasound directed downward towards the olfactory bulb.

To determine the best placement, they say they used an MRI of one of their skulls to “roughly determine where the transducer would point and how the focal region (where ultrasound waves actually concentrate) aligned with the olfactory bulb (the target for stimulation)". […] According to the researchers, they were able to induce the sensation of fresh air “with a lot of oxygen”, the smell of garbage “like few-day-old fruit peels,” an ozone-like sensation “like you’re next to an air ionizer,” and a campfire smell of burning wood. While technically head-mounted, the current device does require being held up with two hands. But as with all such prototypes, it likely could be significantly miniaturized.

Try New Havana Syndrome for Noses!

By Pseudonymous Powers • Score: 4, Interesting Thread
I will bet money that long-term use of this smellovision technology will cause cumulative damage resulting in, uh, smelling loss.

Playing with things we dont understand

By AcidFnTonic • Score: 4, Insightful Thread

Playing with things we dont understand. I am flooded with visions of foot xray machines being useful, asbestos not catching fire, uranium paint glowing not being any problem, heavy lead making gasoline octane ratings higher....

So many useful things here people. Did you know if you take small electric shocks across your temple your vision flickers! Just touch the metal radiator at the back of the classroom that is ungrounded for some reason, then touch your temple. Everyone tried it. I knew better.

Listen, …

By PPH • Score: 5, Funny Thread

… do you smell something?

Re:Playing with things we dont understand

By dontbemad • Score: 4, Insightful Thread

Playing with things we dont understand.

Yes, that’s generally how scientific progress and discovery works. All of the things you mentioned were not well-understood in their time, thus the uses were flawed. I noticed that you didn’t include things like MRIs, antibiotics, vaccines, or any other “poorly understood initially” type of technology that has had a resoundingly positive impact on human society. I understand caution, but from my reading (aka skimming) of TFA, it doesn’t seem like this group of researchers is planning to rapidly monetize this discovery. Is it not enough that the discovery itself is fascinating? Who is to say that this research won’t lead to medical therapies that help people REGAIN their sense of smell after it is lost by some other means?

Re:Playing with things we dont understand

By njvack • Score: 4, Interesting Thread

I totally get this, and also we have quite a lot of experience with cranial ultrasound; we’ve been using it for imaging in newborns since the 1970s.

So yeah: We are indeed testing a new thing but we do have a tremendous amount of data on the effect of ultrasound, at various intensities, on human tissues.

Also, it was radium that made paint glow, not uranium.

Uranium was used in ceramic glazes (Fiesta’s orange was the most famous example); despite widespread worry about “omg it’s radioactive” the dose you’d receive from using those dishes for your food is less than a background dose, and much lower than you get if your house has radon. In practical terms, it’s very safe.

Yes, still probably don’t eat off them; keeping your dose “as low as reasonably achievable” does entail not getting any dose from a pretty orange bowl if you can just use a different bowl.

Bullet Train Upgrade Brings 5G Windows, Noise-Cancelling Cabins To Japan

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Some Japanese bullet trains will soon support premium private suites this October, featuring windows with embedded 5G antennas for steadier onboard Wi-Fi and NTT noise-cancelling cabin tech to reduce train noise. The 5G window antennas are designed to maintain line-of-sight connections as trains race past base stations at up to 285 km/h. The Register reports:
Rail operator JR Central announced the new tech late last month and will initially deploy a couple of the suites on six trains. The carrier explained that the antennas come from a Japanese company called AGC that weaves microscopic wires through glass to form an antenna. JR Central will connect the windows to an on-train Wi-Fi router.

AGC says rival tech relies on 5G signals reaching a train and then bouncing around inside before reaching the Wi-Fi unit. The company says antennas woven into train windows maintain line of sight to nearby 5G base stations. That matters because JR Central’s Shinkansen can achieve speeds of up to 285 km/h, which means they speed past cellular network base stations so quickly that it’s frequently necessary to reconnect to another radio. AGC says keeping a line of sight connection means its antennas allow increased 5G signal strength, so Wi-Fi service on board trains should be more stable and speedy.

The sound-deadening kit JR Central will deploy is called Personalized Sound Zone (PSZ) and comes from Japan’s tech giant NTT. The tech uses the same principles applied to noise-cancelling headphones — determine the waveform of sound and project an inversion of that waveform that cancels out ambient noise.

I hope 5G Windows is better than Windows 11

By jfdavis668 • Score: 4, Funny Thread
Though they should really upgrade to 5G linux.

Re:Remarkably quite already

By AmiMoJo • Score: 4, Interesting Thread

This is actually tech that is built into the seat headrest, and supposed to be able to block sounds from the same room. So presumably it is not trying to quieten the already very quiet trains, but rather the other passengers.

It’s a plus

By hcs_$reboot • Score: 3 Thread
but it’s worth noting that economy class on Japanese Shinkansen trains is more spacious and comfortable than most business-class train seats in other countries.

Re:It’s a plus

By thegarbz • Score: 4, Informative Thread

Worth noting also that it is ludicrously cheap. Tokyo to Hiroshima on a Shinkansen costs around $100 and is 20% further than London to Edenborough which costs $129EUR (30% more expensive), takes 250% as long, and is 1000% more shit.

Re:DeutschBahn

By CrankyFool • Score: 4, Interesting Thread
Ugh, yeah. My grandparents lived in Germany in the early 40s and told me stories about having to take the train to some sort of camp. Really terrible experience. Would not recommend.

UK Households To Be Urged To Use More Power This Summer As Renewables Soar

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Longtime Slashdot reader AmiMoJo shares a report from the Guardian:
Households will be called on to boost their consumption of Great Britain’s record renewable energy this summer to help balance the power grid and lower energy bills. Under the new plans, people could be encouraged to run dishwashers and washing machines or charge up their electric vehicles when there is more wind and solar power than the electricity grid needs. The plan will be delivered with the help of energy suppliers, which may choose to offer heavily discounted or free electricity to their customers during specific periods when the energy system operator predicts there will be a surplus of electricity.

Many suppliers already offer more than 2 million households the opportunity to pay lower rates for electricity used during off-peak hours but this will be the first time that the system operator will use this tool to help balance the grid. The National Energy System Operator (Neso) hopes that by issuing a market notice to call on energy users to increase their consumption it can avoid making hefty payments to turn wind and solar farms off when demand for electricity is low, which are ultimately paid for through energy bills.

Re:A good problem

By AmiMoJo • Score: 5, Informative Thread

We have moved beyond NIMBYs to BANANAs - Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone.

The government promised to do something about them, but whatever they have done isn’t enough.

Re:A good problem

By AmiMoJo • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

So years ago I was helping out with a project to build an industrial tablet computer. They had picked Windows CE because the app developers were familiar with Windows. It was supposed to support a Microsoft technology called Silverlight, which was similar to Adobe Flash, for making the UI. Problem is, it just didn’t work. Microsoft weren’t interesting in fixing it either.

So I found Silvermoon, an open source version of Silverlight. It was a bit buggy, but we eventually got it working. While debugging some memory leaks, we found an interesting bit of code.

const int one = 65536;

To avoid using floating point maths, because back then some ARM chips either didn’t have FPUs or they were slow, the code used the old trick of multiplying everything by 65536 (2^16) to create what is effectively fixed floating point maths using only integer instructions.

I just found it amusing that they decided to call the variable “one”. It’s actually a reasonable solution, and it did work.

Re:How?

By pjt33 • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

The headline appears to be nonsense. It’s not really about encouraging people to use more electricity but to time-shift their usage of appliances which draw a lot of power.

Terrible headline

By Dan East • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

This is a terrible headline. Really one of the worst in a while, but it’s actually The Guardian’s fault as that is their headline as well. This is not encouraging people to use more power, but telling them WHEN they should use power. “It’s windy and sunny right now, quick, wash your clothes and charge your car!”

Re:How?

By Fons_de_spons • Score: 5, Interesting Thread
Belgium here, neighbor of the UK. Summers do get hot here and more and more people are installing bidirectional heatpump units (cool and heat). Also… dishwasher, washing machines are heavy electricity consumers.
Decades ago, it was the cheapest to run these at night, when there was little power consumption. These days you run them around noon, when production is at maximum. With the right energy contract, you actually can get payed to consume electricity during these times, although it does not happen that often.
Met a guy who made this his hobby. He installed solar panels, added some beefed up batteries to his home grid. He actually charged his batteries during this period and sold the electricity back when demand was higher in the evening. He even helped balancing the grid to 50Hz and got payed for that. He made profit with his installation. He did not get rich, but it did pay back all his investments. If enough people do this, GWh capacity is easily achievable… Interesting times we live in.

Nature Is Still Molding Human Genes, Study Finds

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An anonymous reader quotes a report from the New York Times:
Many scientists have contended that humans have evolved very little over the past 10,000 years. A few hundred generations was just a blink of the evolutionary eye, it seemed. Besides, our cultural evolution — our technology, agriculture and the rest — must have overwhelmed our biological evolution by now. A vast study, published on Wednesday in the journal Nature, suggests the opposite. Examining DNA from 15,836 ancient human remains, scientists found 479 genetic variants that appeared to have been favored by natural selection in just the past 10,000 years.

The researchers also concluded that thousands of additional genetic variants have probably experienced natural selection. Before the new study, scientists had identified only a few dozen variants. “There are so many of them that it’s hard to wrap one’s mind around them,” said David Reich, a geneticist at Harvard Medical School and an author of the new study. He and his colleagues found that a mutation that is a major risk factor for celiac disease, for example, appeared just 4,000 years ago, meaning the condition may be younger than the Egyptian pyramids. The mutation became ever more common. Today, an estimated 80 million people worldwide have celiac disease, in which the immune system attacks gluten and damages the intestines.

The steady rise of the mutation came about through natural selection, the scientists argue. For some reason, people with the mutation had more descendants than people without it — even though it put them at risk of an autoimmune disorder. Other findings are even more puzzling. The researchers found that genetic variants that raise the odds of a smoking habit have been getting steadily rarer in Europe for the past 10,000 years. Something is working against those variants — but it can’t be the harm from smoking. Europeans have been smoking tobacco for only about 460 years. The scientists can’t see from their research so far what forces might be making these variants more or less common. “My short answer is, I don’t know,” said Ali Akbari, a senior staff scientist at Harvard and an author of the study.
The researchers also found that some variants, like the one linked to Type B blood, became much more common in Europe around 6,000 years ago, while others changed direction over time. For example, a TYK2 immune gene variant that may have once been beneficial later became harmful because it increased tuberculosis risk.
The study also found signs of natural selection in 44 out of 563 traits. Variants linked to Type 2 diabetes, wider waists, and higher body fat have become less common, possibly because farming and carbohydrate-heavy diets made once-useful fat-storing traits more harmful. Other findings, such as selection favoring genes linked to more years of schooling, are harder to interpret.

Anyone who reads

By hdyoung • Score: 3 Thread
Science or Nature (two well known all-purpose science journals) with any regularity know these things:

1. There is still a LOT we don’t know about the genome and the mechanisms that affect genetics.

2. This we know for sure. Whenever the environment of a species changes, the genome evolves rapidly as well

3. Humans are a subspecies of great ape

4. Human environment has changed at a stupendously fast rate over the past thousand years.

We are evolving. Fast. It’s so cute to listen to people who think we’ve somehow separated ourselves from our animal nature or the effects of evolution.

Even on short time scales

By spaceman375 • Score: 3 Thread

Humans today are growing more medial arteries in their forearms than less than a century ago. I suspect this may be due to the prevalence of typing and mousing requiring more blood flow. Evolution isn’t just random DNA mutations; it’s epigenetics directing what gets expressed how strongly, which exposes it to more genetic drift.

Re:Anyone who reads

By T34L • Score: 4, Informative Thread

It’s literally spelled out in the summary that the “smoking tendency gene” wouldn’t be on the way out due to impact of smoking specifically because it’s been becoming less common in Europe since well before tobacco, let alone weed, became available in the area. It wouldn’t make sense anyway, because most of the negative effects of smoking don’t manifest until a point in life well after the most children would have been had, especially until life expectancy exploded barely hundred years ago.

It could be any number of things, including people who have the gene being more likely to die of carbon monoxide poisoning in their caves, huts and houses. CO has been killing people of all ages well before first cigarette has ever been rolled.

Anthropomorphize

By phantomfive • Score: 4, Interesting Thread
The anthropomorphizing in this headline is irritating. Nature is not a sentient being, and it’s not molding anything.

“Human Genes Are Changing” that’s all you need to say.

Boston Dynamics’ Robot Dog Can Now Read Gauges, Spot Spills, and Reason

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Boston Dynamics has integrated Google DeepMind into its robotic dog Spot, giving it more autonomous reasoning for industrial inspections like spotting spills and reading gauges. Spot can also now recognize when to call on other AI tools. IEEE Spectrum reports:
Boston Dynamics is one of the few companies to commercially deploy legged robots at any appreciable scale; there are now several thousand hard at work. Today the company is announcing that its quadruped robot Spot is now equipped with Google DeepMind’s Gemini Robotics-ER 1.6, a high-level embodied reasoning model that brings usability and intelligence to complex tasks.

[T]he focus of this partnership is on one of the very few applications where legged robots have proven themselves to be commercially viable: inspection. That is, wandering around industrial facilities, checking to make sure that nothing is imminently exploding. With the new AI onboard, Spot is now able to autonomously look for dangerous debris or spills, read complex gauges and sight glasses, and call on tools like vision-language-action models when it needs help understanding what’s going on in the environment around it.
“Advances like Gemini Robotics-ER 1.6 mark an important step toward robots that can better understand and operate in the physical world,” Marco da Silva, vice president and general manager of Spot at Boston Dynamics, says in a press release. “Capabilities like instrument reading and more reliable task reasoning will enable Spot to see, understand, and react to real-world challenges completely autonomously.”

You can watch a demo of Spot’s new capabilities on YouTube.

Reason

By SlashbotAgent • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

I highly fucking doubt that their robot or AI can reason.

It can also lie about its capabilities!

By gweihir • Score: 4, Informative Thread

No, it cannot “reason”. Stop making that claim.

Re:Reason

By backslashdot • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

It can. Reasoning according to the dictionary is “the action of thinking about something in a logical, sensible way” .. or by my own definition it’s “identify a situation and make a decision towards a goal based on that situation.”

Either way, an here’s example of reasoning in a self driving car: Recognizing an object on the highway as an immovable road hazard, and making the decision to drive around it instead of hard-breaking due to the fact that there are no cars on the adjacent lane.

The car was taught, via simulator or training data, that if you don’t check for hazards before switching lanes an accident will occur. It was also taught that hitting an object = bad. It knows the goal is to get to a destination and had to weigh the fact that if it hard braked, it would get to the destination later than if it went around the object and also be uncomfortable for the passengers. Therefore, in the situation where it won’t hit another car or pedestrian, it would choose to go around rather than hard brake. That’s “reasoning” .. doing a projection into the future and making a decision based on the optimal route.

Robotics People are … Aspirational

By machineghost • Score: 3, Interesting Thread

I recently joined a robotics company, and quickly learned that there’s a giant divide between the “aspirational” robotics companies, which promise humanoid (or canine) robots, and the practical real-world companies. The humanoids get all the press, while the practical robots rarely make the news at all.

But if you notice, you will almost never see a humanoid robot demo next to an actual human … because those things are freaking dangerous! Humanoids are still a decade or more away from being able to safely interact with human beings. But, just from all the overhyped robot demo videos you see, you’d think they’re all but ready for production.

Meanwhile, practical robots all look nothing like a living creature: they look like your Roomba! In other words, they have a boring/practical form factor, which almost certainly involves wheels to move around. There’s some incredibly cool stuff happening with those kinds of robots, and some are being used in the workplace today … but they don’t make for sexy robot demo videos, so few people outside the industry even know they exist.

US Jobs Too Important To Risk Chinese Car Imports, Says Ford CEO

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In an interview with Fox News, Ford CEO Jim Farley warned that allowing Chinese vehicle imports could put nearly a million U.S. jobs at risk. He said China’s heavily subsidized auto industry has enough excess capacity to supply the entire U.S. market, while also raising serious cybersecurity concerns given how much data modern connected cars collect. Ars Technica reports:
“First of all, the Chinese have huge direct support for their auto companies,” Farley said, while noting that China has the ability to build an additional 21 million vehicles a year on top of the 29 million that are expected to roll off Chinese production lines in 2026. “They have enough capacity in China to cover all the manufacturing, all the vehicle sales in the United States,” Farley said.

“Manufacturing is the heart and soul of our country, and for us to lose those exports would be devastating for our country,” he continued, before pointing out the cybersecurity worries about Chinese cars. “All the vehicles have 10 cameras. They can collect a lot of data,” he said.

Farley has praised Chinese EVs like the Xiaomi SU7, even going on podcasts to sing its praises. But he believes Ford’s forthcoming affordable Kentucky-built EVs, due to start hitting dealerships next year, have what it takes to be competitive. When asked about new car prices rising an average of 2 percent last year, Farley repeatedly said that Ford had “worked with the administration” so that there’s “essentially no big impact” of the Trump tariffs. The CEO justified the rising costs by pointing to the F-150’s sales as proof of its value.

You still don’t have civil rights in China

By rsilvergun • Score: 5, Informative Thread
Don’t get me wrong I’m American and my civil rights have been substantially eroded and it’s getting really bad over here. I mentioned this on another thread but one of the core supreme Court rulings that allowed the federal government to prevent abuse and corporate crime is in the process of being dismantled by our courts over moonshining of all things.

And that’s before we talk about Trump using immigration enforcement to gank citizens off the streets and disappear them. So far all them have popped back up after a few weeks but it’s only a matter of time before one of them just goes missing or dies in custody.

But none of that makes China’s civil rights situation any better. You go to China and you live there and you criticize the government and ask me how that goes for you. Or try to unionize. Which is hilarious because they pretend to be communist. Never mind the fact that they have an American style Private healthcare system.

It’s not 1987 but that doesn’t mean China has gotten any better. Becoming the world’s factory has improved some of the people’s economic situation but that doesn’t make the slave labor or the cancer villages okay.

Re: He’s Not Wrong.

By ctilsie242 • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

China has been able to handle those regulations, just as they are able to handle the European and other EMEA ones. For example, BYD’s Shark is taking off in Mexico because it has what the Big 3 brands have… but a lot lighter on the wallet.

I don’t like advocating for China, on the other end, I would assert the US has the most miserable and overpriced vehicle selection anywhere in the civilized world.

Re: He’s Not Wrong.

By Anonymous Coward • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Funnily enough, pissing off the entire world and trashing the economy doesnt help selling your products to them.

Re:So enforce the same working standards

By sit1963nz • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
So the world says the USA must have the same universal healthcare, same compulsory holidays, same minimum wages for ALL employees, same maternity care provisions, same education system, etc etc etc

It is unfair the USA does not have to do this.

Re:Subsidies

By shilly • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Ford literally only exists because of the largesse of the US government, bailing it out. Not TARP, but everything else, billions and billions, including wars for oil to keep it cheap so that ever bigger high margin gas guzzlers could be sold

Cal.com Is Going Closed Source Because of AI

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Cal is moving its flagship scheduling software from open source to a proprietary license, arguing that AI coding tools now make it much easier for attackers to scan public codebases for vulnerabilities. “Open source security always relied on people to find and fix any problems,” said Peer Richelsen, co-founder of Cal. “Now AI attackers are flaunting that transparency.” CEO Bailey Pumfleet added: “Open-source code is basically like handing out the blueprint to a bank vault. And now there are 100x more hackers studying the blueprint.” The company says it still supports open source and is releasing a separate Cal.diy version for hobbyists, but doesn’t want to risk customer booking data in its commercial product. ZDNet reports:
When Cal was founded in 2022, Bailey Pumfleet, the CEO and co-founder, wrote, “Cal.com would be an open-source project [because] limitations of existing scheduling products could only be solved by open source.” Since Cal was successful and now claims to be the largest Next.js project, he was on to something. Today, however, Pumfleet tells me that AI programs such as “Claude Opus can scour the code to find vulnerabilities,” so the company is moving the project from the GNU Affero General Public License (AGPL) to a proprietary license to defend the program’s security.

[…] Cal also quoted Huzaifa Ahmad, CEO of Hex Security, “Open-source applications are 5-10x easier to exploit than closed-source ones. The result, where Cal sits, is a fundamental shift in the software economy. Companies with open code will be forced to risk customer data or close public access to their code.” “We are committed to protecting sensitive data,” Pumfleet said. “We want to be a scheduling company, not a cybersecurity company.” He added, “Cal.com handles sensitive booking data for our users. We won’t risk that for our love of open source.”

While its commercial program is no longer open source, Cal has released Cal.diy. This is a fully open-source version of its platform for hobbyists. The open project will enable experimentation outside the closed application that handles high-stakes data. Pumfleet concluded, “This decision is entirely around the vulnerability that open source introduces. We still firmly love open source, and if the situation were to change, we’d open source again. It’s just that right now, we can’t risk the customer data.”

Open-source code is basically like handing out…

By MpVpRb • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

… the blueprint to a bank vault.
Hmmm… arguing for security by obscurity.
Security researchers answered that question long ago.

If the tools are so good

By Local ID10T • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

If the tools are so good that you are afraid they will be used to expose your security flaws… maybe you should use the tools to find the security flaws yourself, and then fix them rather than declaring security thru obscurity.

This is a fig leaf over the desire to back out of the open source community now that the product has reached profitability.

Hopefully someone cares enough to fork the latest open source version and run them out of business with a better product that remains open.

AI can analyze machine code

By Zero__Kelvin • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
Unless they don’t plan on making the executable available, this won’t help. Do they really think that AI can’t understand machine code and find vulns that way?

Re:AI can also FIX t

By rsilvergun • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
Dude they just wanted an excuse to close source their software without getting the blow back from the community that’s all.

Every time you want to do a shitty thing in the world now you just say AI made me do it.

Re: AI can also FIX t

By Anamon • Score: 4, Insightful Thread
Yeah, so many holes in this justification that it’s completely transparent.

If attackers can now so easily scan for vulnerabilities… so could they. They have access to the same tools. Not to mention that these new approaches don’t even really need access to the source.

He says they don’t want to be a cybersecurity company, just quietly focus on handling the sensitive data of their customers. But you can’t do one without the other.

If you don’t want to build up the security know-how and processes in-house, that’s fair. Outsource it to someone who specialises in it. But a company just trying to avoid a breach by flying under the radar and cheaping out on security has no business handling sensitive data in the first place.

Live Nation Illegally Monopolized Ticketing Market, Jury Finds

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A Manhattan federal jury found that Live Nation and Ticketmaster illegally maintained monopoly power in the ticketing market. The findings follow an antitrust case brought by states after a separate DOJ settlement. CNN reports:
The verdict was reached following a lengthy trial in New York federal court that included testimony from top executives in the music and entertainment industries. Jurors began deliberating on Friday. The Justice Department and 39 state attorneys general, including California and New York, and Washington, DC, sued Live Nation in 2024 alleging its combination with Ticketmaster and control of “virtually every aspect of the live music ecosystem” have harmed fans, artists, and venues.

During the second week of trial, in a move that surprised even the judge, the Justice Department reached a secret settlement with Live Nation. A handful of states signed onto the deal, but more than two dozen proceeded to trial. Under the DOJ deal, Live Nation agreed to allow competitors, like SeatGeek or StubHub, to offer tickets to its events, cap ticketing service fees at 15%, and divest exclusive booking agreements with 13 amphitheaters. The deal includes a $280 million settlement fund for state damages claims for the handful of states that signed onto the deal. The DOJ settlement requires the judge’s approval.

Justice

By Iamthecheese • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
Oh look, another monopoly settling for 1/10th of the extra money they made and pinkie swearing to never do it again.

What does this accomplish

By spacepimp • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

It certainly looks like the secret agreement by the DOJ sold the entire lawsuit and US down the river. Ticketmaster gets 15% of all ticket sales and 13 amphitheaters in the US can divest themselves of exclusive booking. I assume this doesn’t change a bit what their processing fees and handling fees add above the actual ticket price. On top of all of that, this legitimizes all of the worst behaviors this company had as a newly legalized form of customer fisting.

Service Fees

By TwistedGreen • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Only a 15% service fee? Even that’s obscene. So if they sell a $100 ticket, they’re going to charge $15 in service fees? For what? Should be a flat fee capped at something reasonable like $5.

That’s not actually how anything works

By rsilvergun • Score: 5, Interesting Thread
And this is why I hate people who have blind Faith in the free market.

For the absolute top of the line acts like Taylor Swift the people get obsessed with going to see yeah you have a point.

If you go even one level below Taylor Swift you have a curious situation.

You can actually go to a concert and it’s sold out but half empty. That’s because you have a concert with a thousand seats and each ticket is being sold for $100 in order to guarantee a sell out, however scalpers buy all the tickets and sell them for $300 each because there’s 500 people that will pay that and 500 people that will just skip going at that price.

This isn’t theoretical bands have been complaining about this for years because what happens is they have a sell-out show and then they can’t sell any merchandise because hardly anyone showed up to their sold-out show. And since a lot of bands make their living off merch sold at shows that basically wrecks them.

I forget which band but one of them that brought it up had shows where maybe 10% of their fans made it to what was on paper was sold out show. It bankrupted them.

So yeah Taylor Swift doesn’t have any problems but plenty of bands do. If you’ve got a smaller band you like that isn’t touring there’s a good chance that’s why.

Our current pretend free market economy has all sorts of nasty little perverse incentives like that.

Scalpers are doing what the market does

By rsilvergun • Score: 5, Interesting Thread
They are absolutely not a market failure they are the inevitable result of the market.

We recognize that fact decades ago and we created laws to regulate the market. Because we recognized that the market does not regulate itself and cannot function in a free and open system. Like a sports game it needs a referee and that’s the government and the bureaucrats.

The problem here is in the market failure it’s a government failure. We stopped and forcing antitrust law and this is where it gets us. You have a single ticket seller and a small handful of venue owners and they can work with the scalpers to create the current situation that maximizes their profits at the expense of consumers and musicians.

Remember the new owners and record companies love scalpers because they are guaranteed to sell out all the tickets and they can move any risk onto the scalper. This is only possible because a lack of antitrust law enforcement means record companies and venue owners can have a low quality product and then avoid competition by buying up competitors or using their market dominance to run competitors out of business

Anna’s Archive Loses $322 Million Spotify Piracy Case Without a Fight

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An anonymous reader quotes a report from TorrentFreak:
Spotify and several major record labels, including UMG, Sony, and Warner, secured a $322 million default judgment against the unknown operators of Anna’s Archive. The shadow library failed to appear in court and briefly released millions of tracks that were scraped from Spotify via BitTorrent. In addition to the monetary penalty, a permanent injunction required domain registrars and other parties to suspend the site’s domain names. […]

The music labels get the statutory maximum of $150,000 in damages for around 50 works. Spotify adds a DMCA circumvention claim of $2,500 for 120,000 music files, bringing the total to more than $322 million. The plaintiff previously described their damages request as “extremely conservative.” The DMCA claim is based only on the 120,000 files, not the full 2.8 million that were released. Had they applied the $2,500 rate to all released files, the damages figure would exceed $7 billion. Anna’s Archive did not show up in court, and the operators of the site remain unidentified. The judgment attempts to address this directly, by ordering Anna’s Archive to file a compliance report within ten business days, under penalty of perjury, that includes valid contact information for the site and its managing agents.

Whether the site will comply with this order is highly uncertain. For now, the monetary judgment is mostly a victory on paper, as recouping money from an unknown entity is impossible. For this reason, the music companies also requested a permanent injunction. In addition to the damages award, [Judge Jed Rakoff] entered a permanent worldwide injunction covering ten Anna’s Archive domains: annas-archive.org, .li, .se, .in, .pm, .gl, .ch, .pk, .gd, and .vg. Domain registries and registrars of record, along with hosting and internet service providers, are ordered to permanently disable access to those domains, disable authoritative nameservers, cease hosting services, and preserve evidence that could identify the site’s operators.

The judgment names specific third parties bound by those obligations, including Public Interest Registry, Cloudflare, Switch Foundation, The Swedish Internet Foundation, Njalla SRL, IQWeb FZ-LLC, Immaterialism Ltd., Hosting Concepts B.V., Tucows Domains Inc., and OwnRegistrar, Inc. Anna’s Archive is also ordered to destroy all copies of works scraped from Spotify and to file a compliance report within ten business days, under penalty of perjury, including valid contact information for the site and its managing agents. That last requirement could prove significant, given that the identity of the site’s operators remains unknown.

Pretty ballsy for a US District Judge

By sabbede • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
to order a worldwide injunction. I’m trying to remember when we gained sovereignty over Sweeden, but can’t come up with a date.

That’s hilarious

By CEC-P • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
I didn’t know individual judges could rule over the entire world. In fact, calling it a polite request instead of a ruling ordering them to do something would probably get better results. I’d ignore him just on principal if I was anyone affected by this. Or counter-sue him personally in your local country’s court system for any manner of violations. Lack of standing, threats, harassment, coercion, improper use of trademark, etc.

This is rich…

By Jerrry • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

So Anna’s Archive, run by anonymous operators, is doing illegal stuff, but the AI tech bros sucking up the entire Internet and using it to train their LLMs without the permission of the owners of the material is AOK?

Re:Pretty ballsy for a US District Judge

By Whateverthisis • Score: 5, Informative Thread
Hello Sunday morning lawyer!

While a US judge does not directly have the power to order other countries around for an injunction, it doesn’t mean that this injunction can’t be forced, and it also doesn’t mean that just being in another country leaves you free to just steal any copyrighted material from another country with no consequence. In fact, the Berne Convention goes back to 1886 and has 180 national member signatories that says that every member country must extend the same copyright protections to the creations of those in other nations as though they were their own citizens. Essentially it means that all signatory members must automatically recognize any US copyright protection, so by the judge ordering this injunction and stating that Anna’s Archive violated copyright, by extension every member nation of the Berne Agreement recognizes the copyright of all of the plaintiffs and in essence would recognize that Anna’s Archive violated their copyrights.

Further under the TRIPS Agreement in the WTO (1994), all members must provide the same copyright protections to foreign citizens that they would provide to their own citizens, along with a minimum set of standards such as no illegal copying and distribution of copyrighted works.

By ordering this injunction, he’s declaring that under US Law Anna’s Archive violated the US entities’ copyrights, and under Berne and TRIPS at a minimum (and probably other treaties), every member nation of the WTO and the Berne Agreement would provide the same protections to those US entities against illegal copying.

So in effect, yes, he can order a worldwide injunction to at least member states of the Berne Convention and the WTO because all of those nations would provide the same legal protection. The enforcement may vary from country to country, but none allow for illegal distribution of copyrighted materials.

Re:Pretty ballsy for a US District Judge

By jaa101 • Score: 4, Interesting Thread

every member country must extend the same copyright protections to the creations of those in other nations as though they were their own citizens

But member countries don’t have to extend the same copyright protections as the US. Just because Anna’s Archive is infringing copyright doesn’t mean that the .se registrar is. Sure, a .se DNS record assists Anna’s Archive in its activities, but different countries disagree on whether that’s grounds for forcing the registrar to take the record down.

along with a minimum set of standards such as no illegal copying and distribution of copyrighted works

And maintaining a DNS record doesn’t meet that standard; it’s just a directory listing telling people how to obtain infringing copies.

Snapchat Blames AI As It Cuts 1,000 Jobs

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Snap is laying off about 1,000 employees, or 16% of its workforce, while closing 300 open roles as it tries to cut costs and push toward profitability with more AI-driven efficiency. “While these changes are necessary to realize Snap’s long-term potential, we believe that rapid advancements in artificial intelligence enable our teams to reduce repetitive work, increase velocity, and better support our community, partners, and advertisers,” CEO Evan Spiegel wrote in a memo, which was included in the company’s 8-K filing (PDF). “We have already witnessed small squads leveraging AI tools to drive meaningful progress across several important initiatives.” The Verge reports:
The changes are expected to save Snap $500 million by the second half of 2026. Snap had about 5,261 full-time employees as of December 2025, and now joins the growing list of tech companies that have already announced significant layoffs this year, including Meta, Amazon, Oracle, GoPro, and Jack Dorsey’s Block.

“Last fall, I described Snap as facing a crucible moment, requiring a new way of working that is faster and more efficient, while pivoting towards profitable growth,” Spiegel wrote. “Over the past several months, we have carefully reviewed the work required to best serve our community and partners, and made tough choices to prioritize the investments we believe are most likely to create long-term value.”

Just admit it

By Varenthos • Score: 5, Funny Thread
Translation: We took a nice, big gulp of the AI kool-aid, and our CEO wants a seventh yacht.

The latest excuse

By Anonymous Coward • Score: 3, Insightful Thread

This has been going on for decades. AI is just the next excuse to put more work and longer hours on those that survive layoffs.

BBC Lays Off 2,000

By schwit1 • Score: 5, Informative Thread

https://variety.com/2026/tv/ne…

The BBC is to cut as many as 2,000 jobs, affecting 10% of its 21,500 employees, in what is being described as the biggest scaling back in 15 years.

According to The Guardian, staff at the broadcaster were to be informed of the cuts on Wednesday afternoon in an all-staff meeting, with interim director general Rhodri Talfan Davies expected to announce the redundancies.

News of the cuts — representing the biggest job cuts at the BBC since 2011 — come before top Google exec Matt Brittin takes the reins as director general in May.

Re: How the hell does the BBC need…

By Anamon • Score: 5, Informative Thread
Tiny network? You might be confusing them with something else. They have about a dozen TV stations and about 50 radio stations which, more crucially, produce almost all original programming. They’re also one of the few larger news organisations still doing investigative journalism. 20k people seems more than reasonable when you look at everything they do. I don’t think the US even has a media company which produces even remotely as much original content.

Struggling Shoe Retailer Allbirds Pivots To AI, Stock Explodes More Than 700%

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Allbirds made a surprise announcement this morning: it’s pivoting from sustainable shoes to AI compute infrastructure, rebranding as NewBird AI after selling its brand assets and closing its U.S. full-price stores. The move sent shares soaring more than 700%. CNBC reports:
The move boosted shares of the miniscule market cap company — it was valued at about $21 million at Tuesday’s close — by more than 700%. The shares, which were under $3 a day ago, jumped to above $17. […] The new company, which expects to be called NewBird AI, announced a deal to raise up to $50 million in funding, expected to close in the second quarter of 2026. Allbirds announced a deal with American Exchange Group to sell its intellectual property and other assets for $39 million last month.
“The Company will initially seek to acquire high-performance, low-latency AI compute hardware and provide access under long-term lease arrangements, meeting customer demand that spot markets and hyperscalers are unable to reliably service,” the company said in the announcement.

Market is Dumb

By OverlordQ • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

News at 11.

“We’re going to acquire the hardware the big players cant get because "

Just beyond wtf…

By Junta • Score: 5, Informative Thread

A company that has zero demonstrated technological assets, whose only logistics experience pertains to shoes…

And they vaguely purport to be able to secure compute hardware better than all the existing players out there, despite everyone knowing exactly where the bottlenecks are and who is clogging them up…

What idiots invested in this concept? How many millions can I get if I just randomly declare I’m going to get more and better GPUs than all the well known AI players?

frothy

By rta • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

this is the kind of thing that echoes of 1999 and 2007 bubbles.

(and the S&L crisis I guess.... and the Japanese forex thing … and Chinese real estate)

but hell is I know the difference between irrational exuberance and hitting when the iron is hot.

(that was a good phrase https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… )

Did somone

By mistergrumpy • Score: 5, Funny Thread
get April Fools’ Day and Tax Day confused?

Re:How will Right Wing Grifters spin this???

By spacepimp • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

So the failing New Zealand founded eco-friendly climate protecting shoe company pivoting to AI only looks bad because it is a right wing media conspiracy? I am not sure you have thought about this or much else in your reply.

This is evidence that AI has a giant bubble and a failing shoe store seeing it’s stock go up %700 is evidence of the insanity around AI. This is not about politics this is economics and it should be sobering to those propping this bubble up.

Rivian’s Illinois Factory Will Run On Recycled EV Batteries

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An anonymous reader quotes a report from the Wall Street Journal:
Rivian is joining with Redwood Materials to reuse EV batteries for energy storage — the largest repurposed-battery energy storage system for an automotive manufacturer in the U.S., executives told The Wall Street Journal. Redwood Materials is a battery-recycling firm started by Tesla co-founder JB Straubel. Once completed later this year, Rivian’s plant in Normal, Ill., will draw electricity from more than 100 Rivian EV batteries in an area the size of a small parking lot. It will reduce Rivian’s dependence on the power grid during peak demand hours. “It saves Rivian money on what it takes to run the plant. It reduces the demand on the grid, which is great,” Rivian Chief Executive Officer RJ Scaringe said in an interview.

In the Rivian project, the batteries will come from either its test vehicles or from vehicles that have viable batteries but can no longer drive. Those batteries get sent off to Redwood, which integrates them into power storage units. Both companies declined to specify the cost of this project. The setup is expected to initially provide 10 megawatt-hours of energy, equivalent to about 1,000 home-energy battery storage units linked together, Redwood’s Straubel said. “These batteries are already built,” he said. “We need to integrate them and connect them together, but that can happen quite fast. They don’t have to get imported from some other place.” […] Scaringe said that while branching into battery energy storage systems is “not a focus for us as a business right now,” Rivian hopes to do more at its sites with Redwood. “There’s hopefully a lot more, and there’s going to be a lot of batteries we’ll have access to,” he said.

Re:Charging Batteries

By Burdell • Score: 5, Informative Thread

Even when residential and office/retail type businesses pay flat rate, heavy industrial electricity users pay based on time of day. When there’s high demand, they can even be cut off (in exchange for getting lower rates the rest of the time). Being able to buffer electricity use allows them to cut costs.

Re:Charging Batteries

By ForkInMe • Score: 4, Informative Thread
Power companies will also bill you a surcharge/Kw/hr based upon your peak energy usage over a 5 or 10 minute window during peak hours - and that surcharge lasts for 6 months or more. One 10 minute burst of power because you started everything up at once can cost you 10’s of thousands of dollars more than if you just started up a bit slower. Probably more for a large factory like this.

Re:Charging Batteries

By Geoffrey.landis • Score: 4, Informative Thread

"Redwood will turn those into a stationary storage installation that can help reduce Rivian’s energy costs during times of peak demand, the companies said in a press release.”
from https://insideevs.com/news/792…

If power is expensive at peak demand, and cheap (or free) at times with no demand, it makes sense to use batteries to store the cheap energy and use it when energy is expensive